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Jeremy
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« on: June 20, 2011, 12:20:58 AM »

Celestron Astromaster am 114 EQ reflector telescope.
114mm aperture
1000mm focal length
f/9 focal ratio
20mm and 10mm provided eyepieces
Highest useful magnification 269x
light gathering power 265x
optical tube length 20inches (51cm)

I added all the detail I thought would make a difference. Tell me if you need more information.

I just want to know what I will be able to see with this telescope. Its very cheep so I don't even know if it can do anything
I already have this telescope. It was a gift from a couple years ago. Is there any way to make it preform better?
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jimmymae2000
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2011, 07:19:57 AM »

This is basically a 4 inch reflector, an 8 inch would be 4 times better. You'll be able to see the moon and  Jupiter's moons.
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2011, 01:17:02 PM »

I would not recommend this scope to anyone.  The fact that the apeture is only 4.5 is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to reasons NOT to purchase this.
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2011, 02:26:48 PM »

Yes, it is a small telescope, but even at that size you'll be able to see most of the planets (Uranus, Neptune and Pluto probably not). You'll be able to see the majority of the Messier objects (ie. M41 - Orion Nebula, or M13 Globular Cluster in Hercules). You'll even be able to see a few galaxies (Andromeda, Pinwheel, Whirlpool, etc.).

Now, what you've given is good info. You can determine the magnification of an eyepiece by dividing the telescope's focal length with the focal length of the eyepiece. Your 20mm will give you 50x (1000/20) and your 10mm will give you 100x (1000/10). The "Highest useful mag" is bologna. They are saying that you can use a 4.7mm (or the 10mm in a 2x Barlow Lens) eyepiece with that 1000mm telescope. Problem is, when you spread out the light that much only the very brightest objects will be visible (moon, sun). Also, atmospheric disturbances (what makes the stars twinkle) also gets magnified. You're best using the 20mm for wide angle and the 10mm to zoom in.

I hope this helps. Good luck.
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2011, 03:41:35 PM »

Well, ..., bottom line:  Don't buy that scope & here's why:
1) The 4" aperture is too small to bring out detail in planets or all but the brightest deep sky objects.
2) The mount is a cheaply made equatorial mount.  This is the most difficult mount to setup & use.  Throw in the cheapness factor & you've got a recipe for extreme frustration.
3) The Tube has a short focal length rendering it a very poor scope for deep sky work.
4) The optics are very cheaply made.

See the write-up below for a decent scope to buy.
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When considering a first scope watch the following video on how to select a first time telescope: http://www.mycarolinatoday.com/2010/08/telescope-101/

Also, read the following article: http://www.raleighastro.org/observing/general-articles/102-purchasing-a-telescope

The best pricing for a decent first scope is a Dobsonian scope w/a 6" or 8" mirror from Orion (e.g. Orion XT6 - $279 or XT8 - $329.95).

The two dobsonians I suggested are great visual beginner scopes & are super for just taking into the backyard for casual observing but will definitely hold their own at any amateur astronomy gathering. They are also easy for young people to use and operate.

Dobsonian scopes are durable, of higher quality, and (w/a 6" mirror) you'll be able to see all of the Messier deep sky objects (DSO's) plus many of the brighter NCG DSO's, many stars plus; Mercury, Venus, Earth's Moon, Mars, Jupiter and it's moons, Saturn, its rings & moons, Uranus, Neptune & the dwarf planet Pluto, as well as, many of the minor planets, comets, & asteroids. Additionally, it's easy to transport, setup, & use (under 60 seconds from car to ground ... no kidding).

Bottom Line: any scope with less than a 6" mirror, IMHO, would be a waste of money. See the links below for low priced dobsonian scopes with 6" & 8" mirrors. However, the larger the aperture (size of primary objective ... like an 6", 8", 10", 12" mirror or larger) the better.

For more advice I would suggest that you contact your local astronomy club.  You don't have to own a telescope to join! Joining your local astronomy club is the best way to nurture your passion for astronomy.  Plus, you'll find that they'll be able to provide you lots of great advice and support for acquiring & operating a telescope.

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To maximize the scope's performance, try the following:

A) Set the scope up during the day in accordance w/the user manual. If necessary watch some YouTube videos on setting it up.  This way you'll know how to set it up w/o fumbling around at night.

B) Align the finder w/the main scope.
    - During daylight hours center the top of a far off light pole in your main scope.
    - Adjust the spotter scope so the cross-hairs are centered on the object (as best as possible) in your main scope.
    - Using you finder scope move the scope to another far off light pole & center the finder scope on the top of the light pole.  
    - Look into your main scope the top of the light pole should be centered in the scope.  If not, repeat the steps above until you can center a far away object with your finder scope & have it appear centered in your main scope. You must get this right else finding deep sky objects will be very difficult.

C) Make sure the scope is collimated.  This will keep objects crisp and clear wen focused.  (Source links 2 & 3 below)

D) Download (free) Stellarium (see source link 1 below). Use it to locate objects you wish to observe before you go out at night.  Two easy objects to find are the Moon & Saturn (in the constellation Virgo near Gamma Virginis).

E) Many deep sky objects are visible to the naked eye but, not all are. You will need to learn how to star hop. "Turn Left at Orion" is a great book for star hopping.  
Use your finder scope to find the general location that you want to look in.  Use your 26mm Plossl (in your focuser) for finding the object with your main scope. Some other easy late spring objects are The Ring Nebula (M57) - Lyra, Dumbell nebula (M27) - Vulpecula, & The Great Cluster (M13) - Hercules. Don't get frustrated if you can't find these objects at first.  I had difficulty when I first started so give yourself some time.

F) The Astronomical League (Source Link 4, 5, & 6 below) has some great challenge programs for beginners.

G) Again, your local astronomy club can be a great source for helping you to learn how to use a scope.  Some clubs like the Raleigh Astronomy Club (www.raleighastro.org) offer free telescope tune-up clinics to help you get your scope up & running in tip-top condition.

--- Source links ---
1) http://www.stellarium.org
2) http://www.schlatter.org/Dad/Astronomy/collimate.htm
3) http://www.skyandtelescope.com/howto/diy/3306876.html
4) http://www.astroleague.org/
5) http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/lunar/lunar1.html
6) http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/messier/mess.html
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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2011, 03:54:31 PM »

I found this review of the telescope-
I recommend you skip it. Look at the Specifications: The focal length is 1000mm. but the tube is 20" only about half long enough to house a 1000mm focal length. That means it is a Bird-Jones, not a regular Newtonian - There is some sort of barlow or doubler lens built into the focuser, (I would guess) and that will make collimation er, let's say, a significant challenge. I've never seen an inexpensive Bird-Jones scope that performed decently.

If you want a 114 short tube Newtonian, bite the bullet and get an Orion Starblast. Quality optics, a focal length/ratio that fits the tube. At f4, it would benefit from a 1.25" Paracorr, which you would have to hunt for in the classifieds, and JUMP on it if one shows up. But the scope is quite usable without the PC, too. An Orion XT4.5 costs just a few bucks more, but at an honest f8, it will be easy on the eyepiece budget.

Anyhow, I say skip the Bird-Jones with the short tube and long focal length. As for the mount, you would find the Right Ascension slo mo cable/knob stays horizontal, doesn't follow the mount; so when the OTA is pointed at the zenith, it will bump into the cable. My guess would be the dovetail isn't a standard size, though I could be wrong about that, but if it isn't you'd have to get the ST80's rings onto the dovetail that comes with the Astromaster. It might work, but I've found too often that these inexpensive entry level telescope packages have fittings that are non-standard and don't lend themselves to multiple uses.
Hope this helps,
Wally
Edit:You already own the telescope go out and push it to its limits.
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